## Jugendsinfonieorchester at Helle Mitte

Excerpt of performance of Jugendsinfonieorchester Marzahn-Hellersdorf in Helle Mitte, Sept.2, 2013 in juggly Hendycam-Reelmode

In a comment concerning the voting system in Syria (I recently got again a bit interested in voting systems, maybe more later) it was mentioned that there were some problems with certain german groups which were against the set-up of a refugee home in my neighbourhood, which is intended to shelter also Syrians. The image in the above linked article by Deutsche Welle shows the square Alice-Salomon-Platz in Helle Mitte, Hellersdorf, Berlin. It should be mentioned that there are also nicer events at that square.

Like the company Wohntheke, which represents several real estate companies, which offer rentals in Marzahn-Hellersdorf had organized last sunday a party in the park adjacent to the square and engaged the Jugendsinfonieorchester Marzahn-Hellersdorf (see also randform post here and here) which belongs to the music school Marzahn-Hellersdorf to play there.

Thanks to the strong men who helped director Jobst Liebrecht to carry the heavy Timpanis back to the building!

related: Soheil Nasseri is giving tonight a solo piano concert in New York.

### 20 Responses to “Jugendsinfonieorchester at Helle Mitte”

1. Tee ä Error ist Says:

I think you shouldn’t be too concerned about political extremism. In fact
in the new study Replication data for: Political Depolarization in German Public Opinion, 1980–2010 at the PRSM Dataverse it is said that

This study estimates multilevel models that reveal general and issue- as well as dimension-specific levels and trends in attitude alignment for both the whole German population and sub-groups. It finds that public opinion polarization has decreased over the last three decades in Germany.

2. e-Rohrkrepierer Says:

Yeah MOVE TO THE MUSTOPP!

3. Uwe W. Herzog Says:

I really appreciate these efforts to bring the socalled “high culture” to the people. However classical music is a rather elitistic culture. That is classical music may eventually be a way to meet the cultural needs of a small upper class, but alone the statistics show: the broad population prefers pop music or Schlagers. It may however be interesting to lure the elite to Hellersdorf like in order to draw attention onto serious deficits in urban planning. Like I heard that Helle Mitte has difficulties in renting out all that shop area?

4. wollzimmerflucht Says:

In a comment concerning the voting system in Syria (I recently got again a bit interested in voting systems, maybe more later) it was mentioned…

Ich seh den Vorschlag mit den Luftballons nicht ganz so kritisch wie Du Nad. Schliesslich wenn man die Technik richtig macht sind das ja nur Luftballons. Das ist so wie bei Nena’s 99 Luftballons – da kann doch nun wirklich nicht mehr viel passieren.

5. Also sprach der Dahlem Says:

it was mentioned that there were some problems with certain german groups which were against the set-up of a refugee home in my neighbourhood,…

people just need some workout – that would make them cool down -
Mens sana in corpore sano. Isn’t there a big pool which almost looks like this at Helle Weigla Square ?

6. Touristenauskunft Says:

Isn’t there a big pool which almost looks like this at Helle Weigla Square ?

Helle Mitte is a kind of quarter and one major square there is as Nad said called Alice-Salomon-Platz (Platz is the german word for square). The other big square in Helle Mitte is Fritz-Lang-Square. But there is a square called Helene-Weigel-Platz in a sort of nearby quarter in Marzahn.

There is a pool within a private Gym called elixia nearby Alice Salomon Platz, and there is a bigger public pool called “Helmut Behrendt” nearby Helene-Weigel-Platz. Is this one of these pools you had in mind?

7. Dieter Says:

Aren’t there plans to abandon the Helmut Behrendt Pool, because it is uneconomically and to replace it with a Spassbad in the vicinity?

8. Karin B. Says:

Like I heard that Helle Mitte has difficulties in renting out all that shop area?

Gateways for parking garages are often too small (like for SUV’s) that might be a reason.
Getting rid of narrow garages and installing an up-front-plus parking concept might be a solution to the Hellersdorf problem.

Karin B. wrote:

Getting rid of narrow garages and installing an up-front-plus parking concept might be a solution to the Hellersdorf problem.

I think the shop problem in Helle Mitte has various reasons and I didn’t get the impression that parking is currently a major problem there. It seems more a mixture of facts like that a population which has not a high income is living around there, that there is big competition from Berlins City center (which is just about halfanhour train ride from Helle Mitte) and that the whole complex is pretty faceless and not overly great architecture (It’s not bad, but it’s also not great). As far as I understood there are currently plans to lure more better-income inhabitants into the quarter by building new appartment blocks in between the old blocks. I have my doubts that this strategy would make Helle Mitte much more into a (shopping) center. If there is no direct need then people go to places, because there is something interesting, inspiring etc.

I do think that Marzahn-Hellerdorf has some interesting places. Its interesting historical mix of old villages (partially reaching back to medieval times), old pastoral settings, manors and utopian socialistic buildings is rather unique. Unfortunately it seems those “unique selling points” are currently rather eliminated than carved out. I already mentioned the cinema Sojus, which is probably going to be eliminated for a food discounter. And there are currently local news reports and unclear public announcements from the corresponding developping companies that an over 100 year old restaurant is eventually going to be torn down.
It is also not that “richer” inhabitants automatically “enrich” a living quarter. For example there had been some frail initiatives here in Marzahn, like for example some artists from Kunsthaus Tacheles had moved to a rather abandoned area in Marzahn.

But now they have been massively building homes for betting income inhabitants around that area which (that is my current impression) are rather stiffling to the further creative development of that place, because the culture clash seems too big. That is the new inhabitants (although they knew what was there when settling there) complained about loud music etc.

Tee ä Error wrote:

It finds that public opinion polarization has decreased over the last three decades in Germany.

Well that study uses data until 2010 and things may change fast if it comes to public opinion. Besides the above mentioned refugee home there has meanwhile been built an additional new refugee home in Marzahn-Hellersdorf which is discussed controversially.
I got though the (very subjective) impression that first rather people, which from the onset on seemed to be more tolerant start to be increasingly reserved, that is I have increasingly discussions with “normal” people here, where I need to highlight that those refugees are mostly from areas with war and terror and not “Wohlstandsparasiten” (“welfare parasites”). I do have the feeling that the athmosphere changed and in particular that – secondly – this maybe increasingly been less openly shown.

It seems if segregation gets stronger then the actual “type” of people around you may play a bigger role.

10. Karin B. Says:

I have my doubts that this strategy would make Helle Mitte much more into a (shopping) center. If there is no direct need then people go to places, because there is something interesting, inspiring etc.

But if there are more people with money then there will be more shops which offer more what you call “interesting” things.

11. Elisa Bluejay Says:

where I need to highlight that those refugees are mostly from areas with war and terror and not “Wohlstandsparasiten”

It is good that you try to convince Nazi’s that they should stop their wrongdoings.

12. Silvia Obereder Says:

Yes – the athmossphere changes, like just yesterday
Neonazi’s initiated bloody fights against a tent camp in Dresden for asylum seekers and there were anymore only 350 pro-asylum-seeker-protestors against 200 Neonazi’s.

13. Dr. phil. Teck-Wenkmaier Says:

where I need to highlight that those refugees are mostly from areas with war and terror and not “Wohlstandsparasiten” (“welfare parasites”).

I hope you didn’t mean what you were writing here! Sofar I had perceived this blog as well-balanced and socially aware with an inclination to innovative approaches to discursive analysis. If you write “most refugees are not welfare parasites” (emphasis on “most”, which suggests that the others are!) then this is in my point of view a descent beyond bar room level. And I do think that this crosses a line, where – if you don’t provide a clear rectification – will loose “most” of your open-minded and culturally diverse readers!

14. Ede Says:

Ey Dr. Eier – dit is ja nun voll die scheisslaberei. Ey guck dir mal an wie die RUMSITZEN!

15. Lalli Says:

Ede Du Hirnboulette – wie solln Dr. Eierchen der Obasesslpupa dit mit dem RUMSITZEN übahaupt kapiern können?

Karin B. wrote:

But if there are more people with money then there will be more shops which offer more what you call “interesting” things.

This might be. But I think it also might not. I wrote that I have doubts that building new appartment blocks in between the old blocks would make Helle Mitte much more into a (shopping) center, because I think alone just to do so is quite not sufficient. That is I think there are much more things which have to be thought about. In particular a lot will depend on how the new buildings are perceived from the outside, how the new buidlings eventually obstruct old living spaces etc. and last but not least one should also think about the role of perspective shopping centers in times of Internet delivery.

17. Simon Says:

There is a pool within a private Gym called elixia nearby Alice Salomon Platz, and there is a bigger public pool called “Helmut Behrendt” nearby Helene-Weigel-Platz. Is this one of these pools you had in mind?

It seems the Pro Germany Citizens Movement” is currently doing a collection of signatures for a new outdoor swimming pool in Marzahn. Is that correct? Aren’t there any outdoor swimming possibilities in Marzahn Hellersdorf ? I mean it is a rather densely populated space isn’t it?

Yes. As far as I can tell they are collecting signatures for a “Freibad”.
The idea for a “Spassbad” was abandonned.
As far as I can tell the only outdoor swimming possibility in Marzahn is the socalled Biesdorfer Baggersee (querry pond of Biesdorf) . But as far as I know it is not an “official” swimming pond due to the bad water quality. By my own swimming experience there I can only say one should be prepared for rashes and dog bites. Nonetheless in summer it is usually quite (over)crowded.

19. Simon Says:

Yes. As far as I can tell they are collecting signatures for a “Freibad”.

Ok. So the rumors were right. How did you know?

How did you know?

Some of the campaigners asked me to sign and I talked to him and explained him that I won’t sign, because I found his party scary. He tried to convince me that I don’t need to be scared.

I felt actually quite uneasy about that Spassbad (“funpool”) suggestion that is I am not fully sure, but I think the Spassbadplan could have meant getting an outdoor and indoor pool quite right next to a big highway. Plus I dont know what that would have meant for the pool at Helene Weigel Platz, where you can actually swim (in swim lanes), something that is not always possible in a Spassbad.

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