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	<title>Comments on: Ohne Musik keine Bildung &#8211; without music no education</title>
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		<title>By: nad</title>
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		<dc:creator>nad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the innovative music comes from outside or is still subsisting from earlier times or as above from the work of very engaged people (see also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dov.org/Newsreader/items/Schlechte_Arbeitsbedingungen_an_Berliner_Musikschulen.html;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article about bad salaries at music schools&lt;/a&gt;). It is actually also not so easy to provide extragood education within the given institutional framework in Berlin as can be seen for example at the problems of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/das-jugend-sinfonieorchester-marzahn-ist-erfolgreicher--als-dem-bezirk-lieb-ist--also-wird-kaputtgespart-passt-euch-ans-mittelmass-an-,10810590,10954170.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jugendsinfonieorchester Marzahn&lt;/a&gt;.

About the &quot;noise festivals and the avantgarde&quot;. We do eventually go to concerts, but its currently not so easy for us as it had been and if we go then this is at the moment not much noise and avantgarde festivals. Like I wanted to give Tim as a birthday present a ticket to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.classictic.com/en/Lost-Tango-Ute-Lemper-sings-Piazzolla/18750/0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this concert&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_Lemper&quot;; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ute Lemper&lt;/a&gt; but he had to work in munich at that day. He is a rather good tango dancer (I find), but he currently hasn&#039;t much time to dance Tango.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the innovative music comes from outside or is still subsisting from earlier times or as above from the work of very engaged people (see also <a href="http://www.dov.org/Newsreader/items/Schlechte_Arbeitsbedingungen_an_Berliner_Musikschulen.html;" rel="nofollow">this article about bad salaries at music schools</a>). It is actually also not so easy to provide extragood education within the given institutional framework in Berlin as can be seen for example at the problems of the <a href="http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/das-jugend-sinfonieorchester-marzahn-ist-erfolgreicher--als-dem-bezirk-lieb-ist--also-wird-kaputtgespart-passt-euch-ans-mittelmass-an-,10810590,10954170.html" rel="nofollow">Jugendsinfonieorchester Marzahn</a>.</p>
<p>About the &#8220;noise festivals and the avantgarde&#8221;. We do eventually go to concerts, but its currently not so easy for us as it had been and if we go then this is at the moment not much noise and avantgarde festivals. Like I wanted to give Tim as a birthday present a ticket to <a href="http://www.classictic.com/en/Lost-Tango-Ute-Lemper-sings-Piazzolla/18750/0" rel="nofollow">this concert</a> by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_Lemper"; rel="nofollow">Ute Lemper</a> but he had to work in munich at that day. He is a rather good tango dancer (I find), but he currently hasn&#8217;t much time to dance Tango.</p>
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		<title>By: Holger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nad wrote:&quot; luckily there are still some people left in Berlin who prove that its music education has not (yet) reached the bottom. &quot;

i think you are exagerating - there is so much innovative music going on in berlin! you should just go and see noise festivals and the avantgarde! I haven&#039;t seen any report on these on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nad wrote:&#8221; luckily there are still some people left in Berlin who prove that its music education has not (yet) reached the bottom. &#8221;</p>
<p>i think you are exagerating &#8211; there is so much innovative music going on in berlin! you should just go and see noise festivals and the avantgarde! I haven&#8217;t seen any report on these on this blog.</p>
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